You Can Tell We Are Christians By Our Love

Members of rival Christian orders have traded blows at the Church of the Nativity inBethlehem, with four people reported wounded in the fray.

Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic priests were sweeping up at the church following the Christmas rites of the Western churches earlier in the week.

Reports say some Orthodox faithful encroached on the Armenian section, prompting pitched battles with brooms.

Intense rivalries at the jointly run church can set off vicious feuds.

The basilica, built over the grotto in theWest Banktown that is the reputed birthplace of Jesus Christ is shared by Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian religious authorities.

Pilgrimage season:

Palestinian police formed a human cordon to separate the battling dark-robed and bearded priests and deacons, said to number about 80, so that cleaning could continue.

Thousands of tourists visited the church for the Western Christmas celebrations this week, the first time municipal authorities reported a successful pilgrimage season since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada in 2000.

The Eastern or Orthodox Christian Church celebrates Christmas in the first week of January.

The floors, walls and rafters of the Church of the Nativity are scrubbed and swept by Orthodox priests between the two festivals.

One report says the dispute started when the Greek Orthodox contingent wanted to place a ladder over the Armenian portion.

So I ask you all……CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE YET?!?!


10 Responses to “You Can Tell We Are Christians By Our Love”

  1. J.O.B. Says:

    He’s my Jesus! No, he’s mine, I worshiped him first.. 🙂

  2. Engineer Of Knowledge Says:

    Hello J.O.B.
    Good comment and mental image. YES, you made me laugh.

  3. Northwest Ohio Native Says:

    OK, I’ve got some questions. Please correct me in the parts I get wrong and try to answer the parts I don’t know.

    Way back when the Roman Catholic Church was the governing body, they used an “unofficial” group known as the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR to enforced the Church rules and desires.

    When the Church officials (i.e.Pope) started to worry about the power and private ceremonies of the KNIGHTS, the Church Officials outlawed the KNIGHTS.

    So the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR diminished away for a couple hundred years. They were quasi replaced by a group of stone masons called the FREE MASONS.
    Q: Were the Masons still considered Roman Catholic?
    Q: What does “FREE” mean in their name?
    Q: Are the present day MASONS descended from the FREE MASONS?

    Today Roman Catholics aren’t allowed to join the MASONS?
    Q: Is it a protestant thing or does it relate to the “secret” promises and ceremonies?

    The right-wing fanatics (domestic terrorists) claim the founding fathers were very “Christian”, but I see more evidence of them being FREE MASONS. And from reading your recent posts, I get the impression that the MASONS are more about acceptance than control.
    Q: What’s your take?

    Thanks for your help.

  4. Engineer Of Knowledge Says:

    Hello NON,
    Good to see you so early this morning and I will get back with you soon but right now my wife is dragging me off to the movies.

    I am looking forward to answering your questions.

  5. Engineer Of Knowledge Says:

    Hello NON,
    Good questions and I am glad to clear them up.

    The Knights Templars were warrior monks with the task to protect Christian Pilgrims on their journey to the Holy Lands. For those making religious pilgrimages to Jerusalem were easy prey for marauders to rob, capture, and sell them into slavery. Of course the Knights Templars did this service for a fee. They also were the start of an “International Banking System.” A person could deposit money with the Knights Templars in France, journey to Jerusalem without carrying cash, and then withdraw funds in Jerusalem as they needed them. This became an exercise which gave rise to the first form of banking whereby a patron would be able to leave funds with a Knights Templar preceptory in one city and receive a promissory note which could be exchanged in another city in order to eliminate the risk of having to travel cross country with large sums of money. Here in lies the problem and the motive behind the event that happened on Friday, October 13th, 1307 AD. There was no concept of a “Bank” as we know today. It was just viewed as the personal wealth that the Knights Templars had and were there for the taking by King Philip of France and Pope Clement V.

    Some of the Knights Templar avoided this arrest tactic, gathered what wealth and assets they could, and made their way to some of their ships in anchor and sailed from Europe to eventually land in Scotland with the blessings of “King Robert the Bruce” as he had been excommunicated by the church and papal authority earlier and the arrest warrants did not apply in Scotland. It is now believed that part of the Templar fleet sailed northward along the west coast of England, through the North Channel which separates Scotland from Ireland, avoiding Ireland, (which was firmly under the control of the Roman Church), to arrive north of Glasgow in Argyll, in the vicinity of the town of Oban. This is supported by the fact that Templar graves, marked with slabs of stone, and bearing the outline of a Templar sword, are found in Argyll. Similar graves are found in the vicinity of Roslyn, south of the city of Edinburgh.

    Now the Freemasons were Guild of stone workers who would design and build castles and cathedrals. Only royals or the very connected wealthy were allowed to obtain advance education. Guilds were a means to teach those of the trades the education needed to accomplish their tasks. This is how many learned the advanced Maths such as Geometry, Physics, and Trig. The requirements of a young man to join the Guild were:
    By that of being a man, freeborn, of good report and well recommended. You had to be man, because it was a male’s occupation, freeborn meaning you were not beholding to anyone else, i.e. indentured servant, able to travel to where ever the construction project was, of good report meaning that you could be trusted and not a thief due to the close quarters all would be living in, and well recommended meaning you were intelligent enough to learn the subjects needed to build such structures.

    Now back to Robert the Bruce. Many years later the Pope was going to allow Robert the Bruce back into the Church’s blessings but voiced his concerns that he was sheltering the Knights Templar. Robert the Bruce’s reply was that he had no Knights Templar….all he had was a group of Freemasons who were building a chapel at Roslyn.

    Now to answer your questions:
    Q: Were the Masons still considered Roman Catholic?
    A: Masons were never a religious sect but merely a trade Guild.

    Q: What does “FREE” mean in their name?
    A: Because they were born as Freemen and not owned by anyone.

    Q: Are the present day MASONS descended from the FREE MASONS?
    A: Mason is just the short name for Freemasons and the proper name of the A.F. & A.M. Fraternity, “Ancient Free and Accepted Masons.”

    Q: Today Roman Catholics aren’t allowed to join the MASONS?
    A: Yes they can join and are welcome as well as any body believing in God, which means Muslims, Jews, Hindus, along with any denomination of Christian religion. It is this fact that some have a problem as it is the fellowship of man and not of religions.

    Q: Is it a protestant thing or does it relates to the “secret” promises and ceremonies?
    The right-wing fanatics (domestic terrorists) claim the founding fathers were very “Christian”, but I see more evidence of them being FREE MASONS. And from reading your recent posts, I get the impression that the MASONS are more about acceptance than control.
    A: Yes very mislead statement as they are putting a recent phenomenon development of Fanatical Evangelical Religious which really gained ground in the 1920’s, retro-applying it to our Founding Fathers who were really more of the secular mindset and followers of “The Age of Enlightenment.” Science Fact had more decisional influences than Bible Religious stories. I give you Thomas Jefferson’s on words of: “I am an Epicurean. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greek and Roman leave to us. I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”

    When I see someone interjecting anything other than this truth, I just view them much like the insane “Bearded Hermit” type standing on the street corner wearing his sandwich sign shouting “Repent” and “The World Is Going To End Tomorrow.”

    Just as I would not stand there and argue with the Bearded Hermit, nor do I try to argue the silliness of someone posting this comment. There is nothing to be gain because as I see it, it is making an argument were there is none.

    Fanatical Evangelicals saying that Freemasonry is a form of Devil Worshiping, can make up all kinds of silly stuff such as allowing children watch Smurfs is also a form of Devil Worshiping. I just do not give them any validity by replying.

    Much like the proverb from the time of Socrates, “Never argue with a fool…..Someone watching may not be able to tell the difference.”

  6. J.O.B. Says:

    EOK- So what you’re saying, is that Feemasonry is a collection of men of different Faiths? As compared to a collection of men of the same faith…..That seems like a great concept, wish I could pursue it. Happy New Years to you and your family………..

  7. Engineer Of Knowledge Says:

    Hello J.O.B.
    Thank you and best wishes for all this year. It does not matter what your religious faith is, only that you believe in God. It is more about the “Brotherhood Fraternity” bond and yes it is a very great concept and one of the best things I have ever done.

  8. Northwest Ohio Native Says:


  9. mudrake Says:

    I have only one yet-unanswered question concerning Free Masonry: what’s the secret that the 33rd degree holds?

  10. Engineer Of Knowledge Says:

    Hello Mudrake,
    Don’t know as I will just be getting my 32nd Degree this Spring. But here in lies the problem. Just as I will not pass on any of the secrets, I surely will not pass on the 33rd Degree should I ever reach that point. 🙂

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